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Monday Beauty Poll

By Glinda

71% of you are just like me, and are not planning on putting away any makeup due to the change of seasons.  My go-to mauve lipstick looks just as good in the fall as it does in summer.  10% of you will say farewell to your bronzer/self tanner, and 7% will get rid of the lighter lipstick shades.

Today ‘s poll question will be dealing with “inner” beauty, so to speak.

11 Responses to “Monday Beauty Poll”

  1. Carol Says:

    I don’t take vitamins, but do supplements each and every day. That includes hylastin for my joints, flax seed oil for my skin, cranberry for my urinary health and calcium for my bones. Two of those have enough vitamin C that I haven’t had a cold in ages and the calcium has D and magnesium, so I’m doubly covered there. We eat pretty healthy, too, so vitamin supplements just haven’t been necessary. That may change as we age, though.

  2. Aurumgirl Says:

    That comic is a nightmare. But you wouldn’t believe how many people go around with the belief that “it’s healthy”. And most people don’t have a clue about the sources of any of the “vital” nutrients in the supplements, nor are they savvy about the tablet “matrixes” that are meant to impart the nutrients when you take them (hint: most just don’t dissolve in the digestive system, so the vitamin you’re buying is never actually absorbed and used by your body–read your labels, you’ll need to just throw out everything that’s in a magnesium stearate pill form).

    Everything you need is in food, if you do make an effort to prepare and eat whole foods (as opposed to a steady diet of fast food meals, processed “in a package” foods from your grocers’ freezer or lining the aisle shelves where they sit for months, and frequent impromptu meals at chain restaurants). But if you’re going to start leaving out groups of foods (vegetarians, vegans, lactose “intolerant”, “gluten free”, “I don’t eat fish”, “I don’t eat red meat”, “I don’t eat carbs!”, “I don’t eat fats!”, etc, etc, etc), then, yeah, you’d better spend a lot on pills.

    If you’ve got a varied diet of fresh whole foods you’re much more likely to have the beauty that results from health. And it will cost you a great deal less than supplements.

  3. KESW Says:

    Does anyone know of a good source of information on the truth about vitamins (like Aurumgirl is saying)? We spend a king’s ransom on multi’s that I’m starting to think are not worth it. We also take fish oil (otherwise my eyes are extremely dry), liquid cod liver oil, a Vitamin B supplement, and I take fenugreek for breastmilk supply.

  4. Whitney Says:

    I take a multi-vitamin (the pre-natal kind, even though I am NOT pregnant, because it keeps my nails and hair happy – especially in winter). I take evening primrose oil for breast health. I take oyster-shell calcium with a zinc additive because I am a Delicate Flower.

  5. Aurumgirl Says:

    Unfortunately there isn’t just one. Conventional medical sites have a tendency to either dismiss vitamins and supplements unless there is a “standardized pharmaceutical grade” of ingredient used (which is an extremely low standard for quality, but the item is made by a pharmaceutical company). Alternative medical sites or “health food store” type companies often hype their products without justification, so you really have to know how the products are made to know if they’re any good. There are no controls on what matrixes are used to house the nutrients–manufacturers often use what’s cheap and works with their set-up. This is great for them, profit wise, but not that good for you. If you’ve got a need for specific supplements you have to know that most of what is available “over the counter” is just not going to do too much good. But there are good products out there, and you have to be knowledgeable and picky about what you buy and use.

    Okay, it’s my business to know this stuff and a lot of what I learned to do what I do came from several years of formal training and study but anyone can learn to be an educated consumer about these products. One independently funded site that offers comprehensive information on nutrients and supplements is They don’t get a single penny from pharmaceutical companies, agricultural corporations, or “public” funding–so they are free to say what’s harmful, and what’s helpful. All their research is top notch and geared towards helping individual people learn about the best nutrients and foods, including how to choose your supplements. It’s not the be all and end all site, but they do a great job of informing consumersabout what to look for and what to avoid–plus what to eat if you’d rather forgo the pricey supplement all together.

  6. Sasha Says:

    Wow, Arumgirl, judge other people much?

    Lots of people have self-chosen resriced diets, and they can be for many reasons: religious, ethical, and health are three that spring to mind. We are not all whiny, attention-seeking picky eaters.

    I have many friends who keep kosher or eat only halal foods. I have several friends who are vegan or vegetarian on moral/ethical grounds. I myself rarely eat any carbs except in vegetables because I and my doctor decided that the 100 pound weight loss was better for my health than eating carbs was. I take a store-brand multi-vitamin (when I remember) that costs about $4 for 250 pills: the better part of a year, and I am, according to my July checkup, perfectly health.

  7. Aurumgirl Says:

    What’s judgmental about saying that if you cut out macronutrients or have restricted diets, you need to supplement, and that if you do supplement, be picky about the ones you buy because most of the stuff on the market is junk?

    Is there something incorrect about that statement? If so, enlighten me as to how it is incorrect. Any comments on where I’ve singled out people for criticism would be helpful, too, since that seems to be the complaint.

    One more thing: my direct advice to you is to save your $4.

  8. wildflower Says:

    Aurumgirl, I agree with the gist of what you say, but your first post made me cringe as well. Just for starters, about 75% of adults in the world are lactose intolerant, about 90% of non-white people. It doesn’t need to be in “quotes”.

    As for me, I am blessed to live in an area that has plentiful foods from the environment (wild game meat, wild berries, soil and climate that grow beautiful, gigantic vegetables, etc), so I eat *very* well. But I still take a daily multivitamin that costs me about $5 a month. Why? Why not? Am I really going to miss $5 a month? It *could* benefit you, and it *won’t* do you harm.

    And when I backpack or travel and don’t get to eat fresh fruit, or I want to sample the local cuisine without regards to getting all of my nutrients? I can do so knowing I have a bit of a backup plan.

  9. Aurumgirl Says:

    Oh, I understand all of what you say about dietary choices, Wildflower, believe me. But where was I judgmental of any of those groups I mentioned? What I wrote was: if you are leaving out whole groups of foods, for whatever reasons, you will need to supplement, and you must choose your supplements carefully. If you are not doing this, save your money and eat whole foods, a wide variety of them. In other words, relevant to the post: don’t spend your money on “beauty” vitamins, because they are most likely of no use to you and redundant.

    For the sake of illustration, I’ll use your example: if you cannot digest milk (and the lactose intolerant cannot do so primarily because of the quality of the milk we have available to us, which is very poor, but also for reasons which have to do with cultural tradition and inherited, individual family health history) you must supplement. Higher fat dairy is usually no trouble to digest if you’re lactose intolerant–because of the fat content–however, the high fat dairy available to us is very poor quality too. Thing is, you need the vitamin D from a natural source, you need many of the live cultures that come from fermented milk products in order to be healthy, you need the vast amount of vital nutrients that can only be found in things like raw butter and cream from cows who are allowed to feed in pastures, not raised like battery hens and fed GMO grains and growth hormones. We don’t have those food products readily available to us in North America (well, not universally, anyway) so if you can’t have any dairy at all you will have to take supplements to provide you with the nutrients you are missing and cannot do without. A cheap, $5 all-in-one over the shelf vitamin is an absolute waste of money here–its matrix is probably one that doesn’t release any of the nutrients in the digestive system, and I daresay that the quality of the nutrients themselves will be very poor (but, hey, all they have to do is “meet” the standardization requirements, which are some very low standards). You will note that in cultures where dairy is not a part of the diet, other foods which contain many of the same vital nutrients are staples in the diet. Foods like rich coconut oil, or plenty of organ meats which provide the same level and quality of natural sources of vitamins A and D, conjugated linoleic acid (a trans fat that is actually vital for our bodies, and is only found in raw butter or in the organs of mammals) vitamin K2, etc.

    Now, how is this judgmental of people who don’t eat milk products? Is this statement judgmental of vegans? If you’re going to do without foods such as these for whatever reasons, you will need to supplement: that is what I wrote. Nothing more.

    Why won’t you find any of these nutrients in cheapie drugstore brand supplements? Because they are are very expensive nutrients to source, and deliver, in a form that the body can actually use. If you look at the list of nutrients on your all-in-one supplement, I bet you won’t find these nutrients there, and if you do find them there, you won’t be told where or how they were sourced or processed. Some vitamins are only safe to use in any quantity if they are in a natural form, and the synthesized chemical form is actually poisonous to use instead (one example is Vitamin D, which is a very important vitamin that should never be artificially sourced)–but guess which form is in your cheapie vitamin?

    Same with things like fish oils, or omega 3 fatty acids: properly prepared as supplements which will keep us healthy, these need to be pure, very fresh, and processed without chemicals like hexanes, bleaches, deodorants and “stabilizers” in order to be safe to use. Pure oils that are expeller pressed or cold pressed are very expensive; fish oils as a source of omega 3 fatty acids must come from certain species of fish (others are unacceptable, or worse, not traditionally used as a source of these nutrients, so we do not know how they affect the human body as a food, though many food “patents” are being presented for approval as a source of these “profitable ” nutrients). If you really do need these supplements because you’re not getting these nutrients in your food and your health reflects that, you will be spending a great deal of money on them because they are very costly. Buying a “cheap” version made from substandard sources and shoddy processing means you’ll be wasting money again, and going without these nutrients all together. Worse, the supplements can make you ill. Yes, that $5 a month can bring harm.

    Now, a person on a low carb diet? Great! There are excellent reasons for people to cut out many of the overprocessed junk carbs that make up the majority of the North American diet. But to do so means cutting out almost all grains, sugars, fruits, and most starchy vegetables. These are our main sources of iron, minerals like silica, selenium, potassium, all B vitamins, and fibre.

    First, good quality iron supplements do not come in a pill form. Simple as that. Next, B vitamins are especially pricey–we all know the cheap kind, they turn your urine bright lime green, because you excrete them all instead of actually using them for their nutrition value. If you cut out B vitamins like B12, Niacin, Riboflavin–all of those are very expensive if the useful forms are used in making your supplement. If you think you will get what you need from a $4 supplement when you are cutting out an entire macronutrient group from your diet, well, you are wrong. People who do so run into anemia, depression, lowered mental capability, and glandular dysfunction (among many other symptoms) pretty quickly on low carb diets that do not include adequate and relevant supplementation. Other symptoms of this deficiency include an inability to absorb any nutrients–which means, if you’re trying to lose weight, you simply will not lose weight at all and in fact may begin to gain it. Oh, there is also the high risk of intestinal parasites, since B12 acts as a means of stabilizing and containing their overgrowth in the gut. Anyway, the cost of the B12 vitamin, in its methylcobalamin form (which is the only form of any value to the body) is prohibitively expensive. A small, 10-dose vial used for injecting the vitamin can cost about $100. Most of the “cheapie” vitamins, if they include B12 at all, use the cyanocobalamin or hydroxocobalamin form (a vial of 10 injection doses of hydroxocobalamin, in comparison, costs about $7), which the body must convert to methylcobalamin before they are of any use (often not easy for the body to do). Furthermore, manufacturers will convert the liquid forms to a pill form, making even the small amount that may have been accessible to you inaccessible. These are inferior forms of the vitamin that are hard for the body to actually utilize, so they are dirt cheap in comparison to what can actually help you. You gain nothing from them, waste money, and become susceptible to the problems that arise from deficiency. Wouldn’t it be smarter to get what works and pay what it costs?

    Sorry to go on about this, but I feel my point was disregarded not because it was invalid, but because it was misunderstood.

  10. KESW Says:

    Aurumgirl: hope you don’t mind, but I just copied that into a word document and saved it for future reference. You a Weston A. Price fan by any chance?

  11. Aurumgirl Says:

    Not a “fan”, per se, but over the years I’ve found the value of the nutritional data they archive, create, and make available to be the most reliable and the most “uncontaminated” research on the topic. And I think old Dr. Price’s research on the traditional foods of people from all over the planet is by far the most comprehensive long term documentation ever conducted on the way human beings everywhere have learned to eat well in order to be completely healthy. No one in “nutritional science” today does 13-year-long studies, complete with photographic documentation, about anything; and most of what nutritionists are taught to believe about food and health today is based on research that is just not as reliable or as untainted with profit motive. I can’t see that information as health or life enhancing.

    Most of the real health issues I deal with, including food issues (like allergies and sensitivities), are dealt with permanently by the form of alternative medicine I practice. But if and when I do consult with patients for nutrition plans I need to know that they’ll be able to radically improve their quality of life and health with the information and nutrition plans I give them. It all has to be effective, because if it’s not, they have no trouble telling me so.

    Not only do I not mind that you’ve saved the post, KESW, I’m flattered. Thanks! I hope it helps you.

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